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I wonder if the market in cigarette cases will suddenly reemerge as a result?
Its quite a good utilitarian look and I particularly like the picture of kebab meat
The IPA stuff about black market is such unadulterated tosh. See my earlier critique of the PWC report on which it rests. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2010/02/08/british-american-tobacco-report-more-holes-than-a-sieve/
Sun, every new generation of health warnings has generated questions like yours “everyone will just put cases around them.” Dopey entrepreneurs stock up on imported cases, a few hundred buy them, use them a couple of times, and the rest you can see at Paddy’s Market any day desperately looking for someone to buy them. It just doesn’t happen. And the same people who run this argument often also say “the health warnings don’t work” — so why then would people be bothered to cover them up? People will buy covers for iPhones because you bugger the phone if you drop it. But cigs, no.
The new rules will help cut down on smoking and therefore smoking related ill health and early death.
Smoking is one activity where there is little tension between coercion and individual freedoms. Unlike say, salt, or alcohol, or sugar or fat, or even cocaine or heroin – there is no good dosage of tobacco smoke taken orally (or nasally). There may be useful doses of nicotine but there are a myriad of safe ways to absorb nicotine.
Smoking isn’t going to be illegal – just dearer.
Sure the taxis somewhat regressive in one way but on another angle the evidence shows that lower socio economic groups, the ones still not responding to the messages, will actually give up smoking at much higher rates due more costly cigarettes.
Teenagers actually believe that smokes in plain packets wouldn’t taste as good as smoke sin branded colurful packtes.
The new rules will help cut down on smoking and therefore smoking related ill health and early death.
Smoking is one activity where there is little tension between coercion and individual freedoms. So the nanny state slippery slope arguments don’t wash here. (I do think the libertarian arguments are worth consideration when we talk about taxing/limiting good/bad foodstuffs. Smoking isn’t going to be illegal – just dearer.
Unlike say, salt, or alcohol, or sugar or fat, or even cocaine or heroin – there is no good dosage of tobacco smoke taken orally (or nasally). There may be useful doses of nicotine but there are a myriad of safe ways to absorb nicotine.
Sure the tax is somewhat regressive in one way but on another angle the evidence shows that lower socio economic groups, the ones still not responding to the messages, will actually give up smoking at much higher rates due more costly cigarettes.
Teenagers actually believe that smokes in plain packets wouldn’t taste as good as smokes in branded colourful packets.
A year or so ago at a suburban Melbourne train station near me partially renown for dope/heroin retail – I was approached by a shady looking character
” Pst pst – wanna buy some chop-chop man” (Seemed like a metaphor for suburban Melbourne compared to when I was in NYC years ago seeing Bruce at Madison Square – and was approached by guys selling “loose joints man ” – ” I’m the guy to get you high -Try before you buy -“
At $30 a big bag its cheap. And I have a friend who has smoked chop-chop for years – its a great australian /vietnamese tradition.
I’m guessing we’ll see more middle aged suburban guys hanging around railway stations, dodging the cops, buying bag of chop-chop.
The thrill of sleazy minor illegality will increase but over all smoking will go down. After all bugger all people smoke rollies – certainly not the cool crowd.
oh – I don’t know what happened there. I suspect the preview option is posting with it’s own agenda
Illegal sales may increase, but it will be a very marginal phenomena compared to the impact in the mainstream of the new policies. The pst-psst scenarios Dr Whom describes arise because of the illegality and are hugely inefficient compared with the ease with which tobacco can be sold openly, conveniently from any business site. If they became brazenly open, they would be very easy to bust. The penalties that have been awarded against tax avoidance from importing illegal tobacco have been massive.